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Topic review - What if the NFL Played by Teachers' Rules?
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Wait...so you had to put the definition of satire on the post and you still expect them to put it all together and understand what you are saying? Good Luck!
Post Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:45 am
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sat·ire - [sat-ahyuhr]
noun
1. the use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc.

The initial analogies above were "satire" to further expose the Tenure/Senior Based Layoffs. Nobody wants the youngest or the oldest teacher for our children, just the BEST!!! In addition, the good/great teachers should be compensated as such. It called performance based ratings/rankings and compensation. Plain and simple! We want to pay for the best and root out the rest.
Post Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 7:00 pm
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I'm sold... Tenure and Seniority Based Layoffs (SBL) should be for all Americans not just for teachers.

Just think, if all American’s lived in the “World of Tenure/SBL” the following will exist:

• The oldest politicians will stay, whether they are corrupt, inept or senile. In the new business model, we don’t care if you’re better, just that you’re older with more years on the job. If you don’t have more years then the incumbent, don’t waste time getting on the ballot.

• All of your groceries, clothes, gas and other goods/services will cost more money, as these corporations will now have to eliminate the performance based merit system and convert to the tenured system. Last employee hired, first out the door, no matter how good you are. In addition, our global competitors don’t believe in Tenure/SBL, so expect our place in the global economy to plummet even faster than it is.

• High School Graduates, why go to college? Your education, skills or performance are not what it is important, it is how long you’ve been with the company. Start work right out of high school at your local company and beat out anyone silly enough to delay their place on the new America Employment list for four years.
• What’s that you say, not a fair comparison as a College graduate has more to offer than a High School graduate. OK College grad; make sure you get that job the day you leave college beating out all other 2011 four year graduates with an engineering degree. You are now new American employee number 2011-4YR-ENGINERING-0000000001 and you will always be ahead of anyone that comes after you, but never ahead of anyone in earlier graduating classes.

• Your surgeon when you need the critical operation is not one of the best at the hospital, he is the worst, but he was hired before we put a man on the moon.

• I also don’t think I will ever be going back to the movies again either. It was before my time, but I hear Betty White was a looker back in the day. Not sure if I want to see her in a nude scene with Jack Palance anytime soon. Yes, I know Jack is no longer with us, but with the unions we are most likely paying his death benefits still, so we have to give him a cameo every few years




Wow, really??? I want my child to go to college. I want an experienced teacher in the classroom, not all fresh out of college 22 year olds who have no idea how to run a classroom.

Another side to your reasoning:

maybe you get the surgeon fresh out of med school,yes has had good grades, did superbly on corpses, but has never performed a life saving operation and has not seen anything before.

maybe we can get a young politician representing us, fresh out of Harvard, but who has no life experience nor family to worry about.

Many of you state that you want the best for your children, but you want to pay teachers salaries which would be comparable to HS kids make at the mall.

Remember, you get what you pay for.

My parents were teachers and they worked hard for 30 years. They got better as time went on. Stop grouping all teachers with the very few who burn out.
Post Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:39 pm
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I'm sold... Tenure and Seniority Based Layoffs (SBL) should be for all Americans not just for teachers.

Just think, if all American’s lived in the “World of Tenure/SBL” the following will exist:

• The oldest politicians will stay, whether they are corrupt, inept or senile. In the new business model, we don’t care if you’re better, just that you’re older with more years on the job. If you don’t have more years then the incumbent, don’t waste time getting on the ballot.

• All of your groceries, clothes, gas and other goods/services will cost more money, as these corporations will now have to eliminate the performance based merit system and convert to the tenured system. Last employee hired, first out the door, no matter how good you are. In addition, our global competitors don’t believe in Tenure/SBL, so expect our place in the global economy to plummet even faster than it is.

• High School Graduates, why go to college? Your education, skills or performance are not what it is important, it is how long you’ve been with the company. Start work right out of high school at your local company and beat out anyone silly enough to delay their place on the new America Employment list for four years.
• What’s that you say, not a fair comparison as a College graduate has more to offer than a High School graduate. OK College grad; make sure you get that job the day you leave college beating out all other 2011 four year graduates with an engineering degree. You are now new American employee number 2011-4YR-ENGINERING-0000000001 and you will always be ahead of anyone that comes after you, but never ahead of anyone in earlier graduating classes.

• Your surgeon when you need the critical operation is not one of the best at the hospital, he is the worst, but he was hired before we put a man on the moon.

• I also don’t think I will ever be going back to the movies again either. It was before my time, but I hear Betty White was a looker back in the day. Not sure if I want to see her in a nude scene with Jack Palance anytime soon. Yes, I know Jack is no longer with us, but with the unions we are most likely paying his death benefits still, so we have to give him a cameo every few years
Post Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:25 am
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So fireman will be paid based on how many fires they put out, paramedics on how many lives they save, cops on how many people they arrest, the postman would get paid on how quickly he did his route, etc. etc? Welcome to reality- there are certain professions where raises happen automatically and it's too bad you didn't align yourself in a career path you are happy with but crying on this site wont do a thing about it. And look around the halls at your kids schools... the MAJORITY of teachers are working hard everyday and the kids are happy and the majority are in the first 10 years of their career, as the incentive 2 years ago got rid of a lot of dead weight. I'll listen to you cry in 20 years when all of your kids teachers are burnt out and there is no new blood in the building. waa waa



And what does any of your blather have to do with evaulating the performance and competancy of the workers being paid? Majority ? majority isn't enough that could be 51%. I don't think the majority of good and hard working teachers would mind having fair evaulations and fairer contracts that a community can afford. They have nothing to fear. They have raises to gain when their outstanding performance is recognized and rewarded. They wouldn't have to be brought down to the minority's lower standard.
Post Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:36 am
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So fireman will be paid based on how many fires they put out, paramedics on how many lives they save, cops on how many people they arrest, the postman would get paid on how quickly he did his route, etc. etc? Welcome to reality- there are certain professions where raises happen automatically and it's too bad you didn't align yourself in a career path you are happy with but crying on this site wont do a thing about it. And look around the halls at your kids schools... the MAJORITY of teachers are working hard everyday and the kids are happy and the majority are in the first 10 years of their career, as the incentive 2 years ago got rid of a lot of dead weight. I'll listen to you cry in 20 years when all of your kids teachers are burnt out and there is no new blood in the building. waa waa
Post Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:20 am
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guest001 wrote:
Imagine the National Footbal League in an alternate reality. Each player's salary is based on how long he's been in the league. It's about tenure, not talent. The same scale is used for every player, no matter whether he's an All-Pro quarterback or the last man on the roster. For every year a player's been in this NFL, he gets a bump in pay. And if a player makes it through his third season, he can never be cut from the roster until he chooses to retire, except in the most extreme cases of misconduct. Let's face the truth about this alternate reality: The on-field product would steadily decline. Why bother playing harder or better and risk getting hurt? No matter how much money was poured into the league, it wouldn't get better. In fact, in many ways the disincentive to play harder or to try to stand out would be even stronger with more money. Of course, a few wild-eyed reformers might suggest the whole system was broken and needed revamping to reward better results, but the players union would refuse to budge and then demonize the reform advocates. If you haven't figured it out yet, the NFL in this alternate reality is the real-life American public education system. Teachers' salaries have no relation to whether teachers are actually good at their job - excellence isn't rewarded an neither is extra effort. Pay is almost soley determined by how many years they've been teaching. That's it. After a teacher earns tenure, which is often essentially automatic, firing him or her becomes almost impossible, no matter how bad the performance might be.......for more on this article see the Wall Street Journal - Monday October 3



Though I understand and basically agree this "analogy" is so bogus it borders on stupid.You are comparing apples to oranges. If the point is that there should be no tenure then just say it.If the point is that a teacher needs to be evaulated with respect to job performance ,just say it.If the system of step and lane raises and a lifetime of more money for bogus Master degrees should end,just say it. If the point is that teachers and all public sector should be kicking in 20% of the health care and contributing life time to thier pensions,w/o being pumped up in the last years with overtime,just say it. I did.
Post Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 6:59 am
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Hmmm...

Didn't the NFL just put a cap on rookie salaries? What happens if that rookie is the best player on the team or in the league?

"The new collective bargaining agreement somewhat changes what had become a ridiculous system in which a rookie, an unproven professional, often was suddenly making more money than most of his veteran teammates, even Pro Bowl selections."

Do your homework Francis. I get your point, but experience has a value and that value is seen in all other professions.
Post Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 6:41 am
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Imagine the National Footbal League in an alternate reality. Each player's salary is based on how long he's been in the league. It's about tenure, not talent. The same scale is used for every player, no matter whether he's an All-Pro quarterback or the last man on the roster. For every year a player's been in this NFL, he gets a bump in pay. And if a player makes it through his third season, he can never be cut from the roster until he chooses to retire, except in the most extreme cases of misconduct. Let's face the truth about this alternate reality: The on-field product would steadily decline. Why bother playing harder or better and risk getting hurt? No matter how much money was poured into the league, it wouldn't get better. In fact, in many ways the disincentive to play harder or to try to stand out would be even stronger with more money. Of course, a few wild-eyed reformers might suggest the whole system was broken and needed revamping to reward better results, but the players union would refuse to budge and then demonize the reform advocates. If you haven't figured it out yet, the NFL in this alternate reality is the real-life American public education system. Teachers' salaries have no relation to whether teachers are actually good at their job - excellence isn't rewarded an neither is extra effort. Pay is almost soley determined by how many years they've been teaching. That's it. After a teacher earns tenure, which is often essentially automatic, firing him or her becomes almost impossible, no matter how bad the performance might be.......for more on this article see the Wall Street Journal - Monday October 3
Post Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 5:38 am

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