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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:19 am 
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Honestly do you think his long term budget plan looks good?



HIs plan can only be based on REALITY. Do you know what the budget outlook looks like? Find out before you start accusing people of fraud and mismanagement like fred does.
DO you know that with the 2% cap we can only raise 3 million dollars? It's based on 150 million that we spend it doesn't include the state money, so its not based on 287 million. Do you know that the cap exempts building ,health and tsa funding? That can add 20 million to our budget that has nothing to do with the cap.Do you know we spent 9 million of our allowed 11 million fund, we have 2.2 million left for this year,its all in the budget report report.
Thats 2.2 million plus 3 million = 5.2 million.Thats 5 million against a possible 20 million deficit. Those are scary numbers that are real.
Let's see how much state aid we get, or don't get. let's see what the health premium is going to be this year, let's see what kind of tsa pension hit we get this year these things aren't subjected to a cap.
After we add all that up then tell me what kind of long term budget plan you are talking about.The man can't print money he can only try to budget what we have and the BOE will have to make some very hard decisions for 2012.
Look at the budget snapshot for june 30, 2011, that is exactly were we stand as of that date. No lies no BS. then deal with the realities of 2012. It is not a pretty picture. Let's hope for more aid from the state for 2012, and that our health and pension hits aren't the worst case senario but you can't blame the BM for the horrors of our countries and state fiscal environment.
With all that being said, yes ,under the circumstances he is doing a great job, but nobody and i mean nobody is going to like the reality of 2012. We need to start now to pull together under some very bad circumstances instead of doing what happened here in the past where people who don't really know point fingers and try to divide us. Now is the time to pull together and make whatever cuts are looming as fair and equitable as possible.
\Remember it isn't HIS long term budget ,it is OUR long term budget that is based on real numbers that don't look so good for all of US.



Health and tsa exemptions? You need to get a real understanding of the tax cap.


Sorry you do, the pension payments and health and building are mostly exempt. ,lets say they total 20 million , only 400k(2%) will be added to increase the amount we can raise our 150 million so it will be 150,400,000 that will be the basis for the 2% cap, the other 19.6 million will just be added on making our budget 170 million but only 150.4 will be part of the 2%. All the politicians talk about is 2% 2% 2%, but they leave out this little detail.

Actually, the only thing the 2% cap does is increase the amount of votes needed to pass a budget 50% or 60%. If a budget fails twice the tax levy is the same as the year before.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:23 am 
tsa does not mean pension and health is not exempt. Read the state report to counties.


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tsa does not mean pension and health is not exempt. Read the state report to counties.


I meant TRS and we will see what is "exempt " and what is not, building (construction) is also exempt

The TRS exemption is not a 100% and can only be triggered if the TRS bill increase is above 2% and only applies to the TRS payment above the 2%. A TRS payment increase of 3% lifts the cap by 1% of the TRS bill.

Understand the cap only effects the the number of voters needed to pass it. 50% under the cap 60% above the cap.

If the voters reject the budget twice the tax levy reverts back to last year's levy. There are no exceptions or exemptions to the levy.


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tsa does not mean pension and health is not exempt. Read the state report to counties.


I meant TRS and we will see what is "exempt " and what is not, building (construction) is also exempt



Cool. We're cool.


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tsa does not mean pension and health is not exempt. Read the state report to counties.


I meant TRS and we will see what is "exempt " and what is not, building (construction) is also exempt



Cool. We're cool.


Good, because it is going to be what it is and we all need to understand it and not be so quick to point fingers at people who had nothing to do with how it all unfolds. WE will need to adapt to make it work for us , if possible.



The TRS exemption is not a 100% and can only be triggered if the TRS bill increase is above 2% and only applies to the TRS payment above the 2%. A TRS payment increase of 3% lifts the cap by 1% of the TRS bill.

Understand the cap only effects the the number of voters needed to pass it. 50% under the cap 60% above the cap.

If the voters reject the budget twice the tax levy reverts back to last year's levy. There are no exceptions or exemptions to the levy.


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40 in a class will prove to benefit students. Academic achievement will remain steady.


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40 in a class will prove to benefit students. Academic achievement will remain steady.


Fred you lost your bet , you were WRONG.

Not at all... years expenses remain at $265 million Based on salary lines, their appears to be no teacher salary reduction as pridicted


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40 in a class will prove to benefit students. Academic achievement will remain steady.


]Fred you lost your bet , you were WRONG.
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Not at all... when I show you three years of audits ... You will discover huge losses in state aid did not reduce surplus cash. it is just held elsware and last years expenses including the roof repair remain at $265 million. [/b]


Hmm I thought you said spending wouldn't be over 259 and it surpassed that by 20 million, Fred reality says" there is no secret stash of money totalling 20 -40 million dollars it doesn't exist in the real world ", you are skewing numbers.we will be facing some huige deficiets in the next budget,12 -20 million.[b}
Not at all... when I show you three years of audits ... last years expenses remain at $265 million. Assistant Superintendent for Business never saved the $5million in teacher retirememts he claimed he did [/b]


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